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By Arielle Clay aclay@nbcaugusta.com

AUGUSTA, Ga. - Can a gay person go straight? Many Christian groups say yes. Others say a person is born gay and can't change.

In this special report, NBC Augusta 26 News takes a closer look at this debate.

“A homosexual was a neighbor of mine and came on to me and I relented and came into the homosexual lifestyle,” McKrae Game said.

Game used to be gay.

“Felt homosexual from a very young age, probably around 5 or 6 years old that was not sexualized until puberty,” Game said.

He is a Southern Baptist minister who lived as a gay man for three and a half years.

“Really going from relationship to relationship, and as I said at one time I put my hand to my heart and said there's just a void,” Game said.

To fill the emptiness he felt, Game says he gave his life to Christ and started what he calls his journey to becoming a man.

“I always say I walked away from homosexuality. It didn't walk away from me. I had to leave it,” Game said.

To understand Game's explanation of how he was able to leave homosexuality he says you first have to understand what he thinks causes it.

“People are basically found with same sex attractions. That's why they believe they're born homosexual because they never made a decision,” Game said.

Game doesn’t believe a person is born gay but unlike many conservative ministers he doesn't think it’s a choice. For Game it comes down to how you are raised.

“If my wife is way more interesting than me and I'm abusive or way more passive, then my son's not going to be excited to be like me,” he said.

That means, Game says, his son would associate with his mother; see himself as a woman's equal, not opposite and thus, like men.

“I realized I didn't know what it was to be a man. I didn't have a relationship with my father. I didn't have a relationship with young boys or men. I thought I understood women,” Game said.

With his theory Game began his quest to manhood. To help he's taken up traditionally masculine activities, made male friends and yes, even married a woman.

“I was actually excited to see that I was aroused by my wife but it was through the relationship building,” Game said.

But many question: Is the attraction gone or are Game and others like him willing themselves out of a lifestyle their faith has preached against since their childhood. That's what Susan Venable thinks.

“They tried to pray the gay out but it didn't work,” Venable said.

Venable also grew up Southern Baptist. She came out to her parents at 16.

“They wanted me to see a religious counselor much like one of the truth ministry things. I think my dad even called them for advice,” Venable said.

But it wasn't just Venable's parents. Even she tried to "go back into the closet" after dealing with the rejection at home and in her church. Venable believes the loneliness is why many people try to become ex-gay.

“What your beliefs are being raised and what you grow up to be are totally conflicting. That's very tormenting and they didn't want to feel that anymore,” Venable said.

Venable who believes homosexuality is genetic says you can't stop being homosexual.

“I can no more make myself straight than I can will the color of my hair to change. Sure I can dye it brown but my roots are still going to be blonde,” Venable said.

Still Game insists you can stop being gay and it's not genetic. That doesn't mean, however, that he doesn't feel temptations.

“When I struggle, If I'm going to struggle it's most likely going to be after the attributes of a perfect male than it is a perfect female,” Game said.

One of those struggles led to a fall two years into his marriage. He cheated on his wife with a man.

“Coming out of homosexuality it's like trying to learn a bike. You're going to fall a bunch of times. I just kept getting back on the bike and riding,” Game said.

What it comes down to is a difference in fundamental beliefs. One side sees homosexuality as another sin to overcome.

“I take up my cross and I follow Him. If having same sex attractions is my cross I'm okay with that,” Game said.

The other side sees it as the life they were destined to live.

“I know if I was to find a man and marry him that still doesn't make me straight,” Venable said.

Both say they're at peace with their spirituality and sexuality.

Suzanne Venable is now Unitarian and attends the Unitarian Universalist Church of Augusta.

McKrae Game is the founder of Truth Ministry - an organization that helps deliver people from homosexuality. There's a branch in Aiken.

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Monday, Jan 4 at 9:21 PM Max Honore wrote ...

I wish I could be surprised that such a disgusting news report had come from my city, but I can't.

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Saturday, Dec 5 at 5:58 PM youareloved wrote ...

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT ORIENTATION DOES NOT MATTER. WHAT MATTERS IS DO YOU KNOW JESUS CHRIST AND ARE YOU GOING TO HEAVEN? THAT IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS. GOD LOVES YOU SO MUCH AND HE WANTS YOU TO HAVE THE VERY BEST. IT ALL STARTS WITH KNOWING HIM.

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Saturday, Dec 5 at 5:40 PM Jessica wrote ...

Okay, let me set the record straight(no pun indended). I am a Christian who used to live a lesian lifestyle 10 years ago. Even though I am living a celibate life now, I will not lie and say that my orientation has changed because it has not. I still have same sex attraction but I CHOOSE not to act on in because of my faith. I believe that any fornication is sin, not a gay orientation because that is not something you can change unless God does it for you. This is the real truth. God bless you!

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Sunday, Nov 29 at 7:02 PM Freethought wrote ...

Obviously Mr. Goode is extremely biased. This piece presented two sides of a very controversial issue in a very balanced manner. Only someone with a completely one-sided agenda would think otherwise. The only sham I see is Mr. Goode attacking a reporter to support his agenda. Maybe he should take up reporting!

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Sunday, Nov 29 at 2:02 AM kevinbgoode wrote ...

It seems to me, Dr. Barr, that SOME religious beliefs are quite adept at creating sexual confusion. This is why, after all, the "reporter" didn't balance it with a discussion of the dynamics of heterosexuality, including interviews with EX-heterosexuals aided by some "religious" community. This entire article is a journalistic sham.

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Sunday, Nov 29 at 12:01 AM Dr Rick Barr wrote ...

People who believe homosexuality is genetic for whatever reason will not be moved by Mr Game's testimony, but those who wonder if there is hope for overcoming homosexuality and having a family will be given encouragement. We should all be a little more questioning of the psychiatric community in light of Freud's belief in biological determinism. Science has an agenda just as those accuse Christianity of having an agenda. Sexual confusion causes a lot of fear. Perfect love casts out fear.

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Friday, Nov 20 at 11:49 PM kevinbgoode wrote ...

Since the reporter doesn't engage in real background research, I'm looking forward to the next blurb about a Baptist church being "balanced" with interviews of EX-Baptists.

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Friday, Nov 20 at 11:46 PM kevinbgoode wrote ...

completely lacking in both journalism ethics and in research and balance. Bias written explicitly into the lead sentence.

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Friday, Nov 20 at 4:31 PM Sean wrote ...

"Others say a person is born gay and can't change." So by "others," you mean, oh, say, the American Psychological Organization: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/06gay.html This is a prime example of media "balance" resulting in the legitimization of a completely discredited (not to mention harmful) idea, just because "Christian groups" supposedly believe it. There is no "debate" here.

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Friday, Nov 20 at 10:52 AM Soleil10 wrote ...

Every one on this planete sruggles with his or her seuality. People like Mr. Game who overcome their sexual dis-orientation usually do not share theri story. I think there are many more than you think. Those who fail to overcome it are the one making all the noise. Thanks Mr. Game

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Friday, Nov 20 at 9:12 AM Jeff - Cincinnati Ohio wrote ...

I am a gay man... and don't believe in god what so ever - so basically, I really don't care what the religious people say about my life.. you believe what you want.. I will believe what I want.. end of story

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 11:27 PM David in Houston wrote ...

This is really sad that he's wasted his life fighting his own sexuality. He's known that he's been gay his entire life, yet he can't accept it. Now he's married a woman and destroyed her life too. She deserves to be married to a heterosexual. The fact that he is still being intimate with men after everything he's gone through should prove that being gay is NOT a choice. Otherwise he would have chosen to be straight a long time ago.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 10:43 PM JD wrote ...

Wow. I shouldn't be surprised there are so many ignorant rednecks commenting on this story... Yet, still I am.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 9:50 PM Susan wrote ...

My God does NOT create males to intimately love males (same for females). It is our choice, as Christians, to fine tune/adjust our lives in accordance with God's liking. We are here to serve Him, not to live for earthly pleasures.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 9:49 PM Susan wrote ...

If we so desire the kingdom of Heaven we should indeed strive to not sin. However,as humans, can not help but sin...key word is "strive" ! Any true Christian(has Jesus in their hearts) KNOWS that same sex attraction is SIN. Shall we ask forgiveness knowing we will commit the same exact sin over again?

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 9:46 PM Susie wrote ...

My God does NOT create males to intimately love males (same for females). It is our choice, as Christians, to fine tune/adjust our lives in accordance with God's liking. We are here to serve Him, not to live for earthly pleasures.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 9:45 PM Susie wrote ...

If we so desire the kingdom of Heaven we should indeed strive to not sin. However,as humans, can not help but sin...key word is "strive" ! Any true Christian(has Jesus in their hearts) KNOWS that same sex attraction is SIN. Shall we ask forgiveness knowing we will commit the same exact sin over again? Or should we strive to live as God has planned for us & overcome our shortcomings?

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 9:31 PM Regan DuCasse wrote ...

Why do straight people assume they know and are expert on what being gay is more than a gay person? Does a man talk like that about being a woman. A Christian about living as a Jew? WTF kinda of stupid straight person assumes THEY know that a gay person can change or should? Puhleez! THIS straight woman is embarrassed by every straight person saying it can be done. THINK what it would take to turn you gay and how YOU decided to be straight and THAT should be the end of the discussion!

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 9:13 PM rf7777 wrote ...

There is NO DEBATE as to whether someone can change their sexual orientation. None. Anywhere. These people can go back in the closet and try not to act on their feelings but sexual orientation is immutable.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 8:24 PM pauliji wrote ...

Game himself admits that he felt gay from early childhood. If he thinks that his parents made him gay, then he is just blaming them for his own shame at who he is. He is going to perpetuate the shaming, blaming and finger pointing with his congregation. He has absolutely no medical, or psychiatric credentials to back up his theories of human sexuality. Where's his proof for anything he says? Religion is not the place to look for science or logic, or even, it seems, for honesty or respect.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 8:02 PM Gay in Aiken wrote ...

Why did WAGT waste airtime on this story? Game is gay and a hypocrite making money promoting totally discredited and dangerous reparative therapy. If you are born gay or straight, so what. Live an open, honest, authentic life however God made you. This station has been trying to run this story for months. I encountered this reporter last Spring when she was asking questions. This is not a story that has two sides and it is very disingenuous to try to make it so.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 7:30 PM Reynvaan wrote ...

For my part, I am and always have been gay, and I love it, even when it's difficult. I never chose to be attracted to other men, but I did choose to "pray the gay away" for 10 years out of fear and shame. It didn't work, and I'm glad. To paraphrase Armistead Maupin, being gay is the light and joy of my life; it's who I am, and I wouldn't change for the world, even if it were possible.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 6:21 PM letao wrote ...

Now don't get me wrong. I love my christian friends and totally respect their faith. But I have a deeply held conviction that their belief system is unnatural and a form of insanity and delusion. So when I try to commit them to the mental health ward or support legislation restricting their ability to have children, it isn't because I don't totally respect their beliefs - its just that I think their delusional beliefs (which I totally respect) are unhealthy and insane and a danger to us all.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 6:20 PM LG wrote ...

Having experienced Truth Ministry personally, I can say that I know they do not try to force this on anyone. This is a ministry for people who have hope for something else and willingly seek out Truth Ministry. That does not make them foolish if they wish to seek other options. Also, I think it is important for people to realize that those of us who rely on Christ to transform our sexuality will look foolish to those who does not know Christ's renewing power personally.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 6:08 PM LG wrote ...

Studies are showing that a child's sexuality can be influenced by their parents. McKrae isn't saying that what he described will happen every time, he is saying it increases the likelihood of a son becoming gay. Also, just because someone experiences same sex attraction does not make them homosexual. If you want to steal but do not then you are not a thief. I experience same sex attraction but like McKrae I recognize that God has not created me for that purpose. I appreciate Truth Ministry.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 6:07 PM Huh? wrote ...

I keep reading on here all these references to God and the Bible. However, the more I see those arguments, the less I agree with you. If all you have is that misinterpreted tome that's over 2,000 years old from a time that doesn't apply to us now (if you want to apply it to yourself, go ahead, don't do it to me), then you're clutching at straws. And you look ridiculous, and when it comes to this topic of turning away from begin gay, you look ignorant too.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 5:46 PM Tim wrote ...

I am a 50 year old gay man....and I have NEVER met a real ex-gay. Oh sure, I've met a few bisexuals who figured out how to stay on the hetero side of the fence....but never a truly gay man or woman who turned straight. The only such people I have ever even heard of who made such a ridiculous claim worked for some huge mega-religious organization or was a televangelist. I am still waiting to meet such people or any "straight"people who turned gay!

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 5:32 PM Patricia wrote ...

This dude is as gay as the day is long. Good luck with your House of Cards, buddy. Hope it doesn't get blown. Over.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 10:30 AM smbga wrote ...

jeff mangus: If you are talking about the Bible, you are right.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 9:45 AM Jeff Magnus wrote ...

SMBGA: The book you are quoting from was edited, translated, and totally corrupted by the Roman Catholic church in the 13th century. Try quoting from either actual history or Aesop's fables. Pick one.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 12:30 AM Michael wrote ...

Why do heterosexuals get "lives" and we gay Americans just get "lifestyles?" A problem with this story is that Game still has sexual attraction toward men. Heterosexual males don't have sexual attraction toward men. However, bisexual men do and perhaps that is what Game is? The other problem is that Game overlooks all the gay men who play sports and "act" masculine. What about the gay men on gay Rugby teams? If playing sports made someone heterosexual, there would be no gay rubgy teams.

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Thursday, Nov 19 at 12:22 AM Michael wrote ...

Why do heterosexuals get "lives" and we gay Americans just get "lifestyles?" A problem with this story is that Game still has sexual attraction toward men. Heterosexual males don't have sexual attraction toward men. However, bisexual men do and perhaps that is what Game is? The other problem is that Game overlooks all the gay men who play sports and "act" masculine. What about the gay men on gay Rugby teams? If playing sports made someone heterosexual, there would be no gay rubgy teams

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 6:44 PM richard wrote ...

I believe being gay is by nature and by choice. WWJD? He would probably say "Go and sin no more!" By the way , the American Psychiatric Association was not unanimous. Proud of you Mckrae.

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 3:08 PM smbga wrote ...

jeff magnus: you asked, "could you go gay?" in Romans 1 the scripture says that God gave them up to uncleanness. It's all very clear in the first Chapter of Romans. And if I chose to think that I know more than God or turn away from him, I would open myself up to unnatural sex.

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 2:57 PM Tyler wrote ...

There are also many ex ex-gay people. This approach can be very harmful to many. There may be some who are "confused", but to teach that being gay is inherently harmful is a fall teaching and can lead people to be tormented and self-destructive behavior.

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 2:51 PM Tyler wrote ...

Thank you Susan for your courage and sharing your story. The attitude that people can be "ex-gay" has proven to be very harmful. There are also bisexuals, it is not all just gay and straight. The truth is that gayness is not immoral, we are God's children too and part of His plan. There are gay teachers, police, soldiers, politicians, and even news anchors. We are part of the village of society and providing many important roles in this community. And our sexuality is God's gift to us.

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 12:28 PM Jeff Magnus wrote ...

According to "God's Word", all sin is equal. However, I ask any of the heterosexual population, "Can a straight person go Gay?" Don't ask this question in general...ask yourself. Could YOU "go" gay? I bet none of you bible thumping, snake handling judges will say yes!

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 12:13 PM It is wrong! wrote ...

Saying that gay people are born that way is just like saying drug dealers are born that way. Things happen in our lives that make us who we are and guide our decisions. And you CAN turn away from homosexuality! MANY people have through GOD. Just because people do not want to answer to a higher authority, does not mean they won't have to one day. Believe in the Bible or not, one day you will stand at the Great Throne Judgment! You'll wish you had followed the Bible then!

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 11:32 AM JOMO wrote ...

When I was younger, my idea of paradise was a world in which all men went gay except for me and my elderly dad, and none were attracted to me, later I realized that could cause my early demise through heart failure(LOL).

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 11:17 AM JOMO wrote ...

As long as they don't come on to me and there are enough straight women to go around, who cares? Now, closet homosexuals faking it through constant gay-bashing, religious smellsmocking, being overly aggressive, temperamental and hawkish about sesexuality, that's downright creepy. get out of the closet already, so we don't have to wonder about you...

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 10:39 AM Elena wrote ...

NBC is #1 for me as well. However I like to hear two sides to a controversial issue. You or I may not agree with these sides. However, they do exist. Should we live with our heads in the sand? Should issues like these be talked about only in New York or Los Angeles? Do you think if maybe we do not discuss them, they will disappear. Wake up and smell the coffee!

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 8:36 AM smbga wrote ...

according to God's Word, you aren't in His Kingdom if you commit these things. It's pretty plain and simple. No changing God's Word.

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 8:30 AM Anonymous wrote ...

Balanced reporting?! Game got the most time and publicized his church. If he really is no longer gay, he wouldn't struggle. He wouldn't deny himself female friends and define sports as masculine activities if he wasn't looking for a set of rules to use to control his instincts. Game's ideas are from the 1950s. The American Psychiatric Association doesn't define being gay as a mental or behavioral disorder or blame parents anymore. Science is also proving there are biological reasons for it.

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 8:26 AM mrpcez wrote ...

In my opinion, there are both genetic and environmental causes for homosexuality. Does that make it right? Well, I believe there are genetic and environmental causes for alcoholism, murder, suicide, etc. I am not saying homosexuality is the same as those characteristics, but don't use the point that gay people can't help it because of genetics as justification. Bottomline is that I am not going to waste my time worried about what gay people are doing. Just don't push it in my face.

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 6:57 AM linda sterling wrote ...

The piece was very disturbing to me.NBC Augusta is my #1 local news, weather and sports station.Leave all these new world abomination theories to the stations airing in New York and California.

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 6:14 AM Elena wrote ...

Balanced reporting, Ms. Clay. This is very unusual in these days and times.

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 6:12 AM Elena wrote ...

Balanced reporing, Arielle Clay.

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 6:01 AM Anonymous wrote ...

Game, I don't mean to be rude, but you sound "gay." I guarantee that nearly everyone watching this special thinks you're still gay. You have a lisp. I'm willing to bet if you were asked on a lie detector test "Are you gay?" you would fail in a heartbeat. Being gay is not wrong by any means.You need to come clean about yourself and stop trying to "pray the gay away." You had nothing to be ashamed of until you married a woman. You knew your sexual orientation when you were a teen. We're not stupid

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 1:52 AM Ed P. wrote ...

They should have interviewed Butch Palmer for this story.

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 1:51 AM Ed P. wrote ...

They should have intervikewed Butch Palmer for this story.

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 1:39 AM Eric wrote ...

i feel ms. venable makes a good point. with being gay, people go directly to the bible for their proof of it being wrong. there are so many religions worldwide, that it cannot be found how many there are. one religion for one group of religious followers is just not enough to convince me. what about the other billions whose religion says nothing about being gay or does not find it bad. i think its ridiculous to say a person chooses the lifestyle. they choose to be discriminated everyday? hmmmmmm

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Wednesday, Nov 18 at 12:20 AM Tony Moore wrote ...

Great story. Thanks for the balanced reporting - very unusual these days.

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Tuesday, Nov 17 at 11:34 PM Manor wrote ...

Why do so many heterosexuals think that gays/lesbians are miserable with their lifestyle choice and are seeking to change. I am happy being gay and I did not choose to be gay. In fact, most gays are have a great time.

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Tuesday, Nov 17 at 10:08 PM Mr. R.A.F. wrote ...

Nicely done, Ms. Clay. Nicely done.

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Tuesday, Nov 17 at 9:53 PM neutral viewer/reader wrote ...

I admire both people in the story for sharing their stories. They are courageous to go on TV and talk about such a difficult topic. Thanks NBC for not being afraid to air real life stories instead of the same old thing you see on the news.

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Tuesday, Nov 17 at 9:36 PM Steve wrote ...

Let me say being sexually attracted to someone of my sex is natural, for me. No matter what Game says or portrays himself as, he's broadcasting 'sister' according to my 'gaydar.'

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Tuesday, Nov 17 at 8:52 PM Donna Smith, N. Augusta wrote ...

First, it would seem that Mr. Game’s early “homosexual” tendencies were more likely products of learned behavior vs. anything inherent. The absence of strong adult role model s and lack of consistent parental guidance combined with a low sense of self-esteem can make someone extremely vulnerable to the suggestions of self-serving, manipulative people. I find it extremely ironic (and sad) that so many followers of a two-thousand year-old movement with a sole intended purp

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Tuesday, Nov 17 at 7:47 PM Bill wrote ...

Interesting story; as a Christian, we love the sinner and hate the sin. WWJD? Hate the sin (to include sex outside of God's original intent; one man and one woman in the marriage realtionship). The key is the consequences of ones actions. Christian's follow Christ by rejecting sin. We agree with Him. One cannot live in sin and follow Christ. Therefore, it is ultimately a choice; to follow or reject Christ.

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Tuesday, Nov 17 at 6:50 PM smbga wrote ...

homosexuality would be better understood if we knew where it originated from. and certainly was not God's original plan or purpose for mankind. and I don't argue the point. I know what God's Word says.

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Tuesday, Nov 17 at 6:25 PM KN wrote ...

Great story! One that needed to be talked about. Both Mr. Game an Ms. Venable make valid points. It's something that each one has to deal with in their own way. It is none of my business either way. As a Christan, it is my job to treat them no differently than anyone else. After all...WWJD?I think he would say "Follow me" No questions asked.

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Tuesday, Nov 17 at 6:22 PM Lauren wrote ...

By Game's reasoning (that a son becomes gay by identifying with his mother instead of his father), a daughter with a supportive father and absent mother would become gay. Sexuality is not a choice and is not determined by a child's parents. Good for Susan Venable for speaking out for the gay community. As a gay woman she faces enough struggles without people judging and trying to change her.

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